Paid To Click provider Adfiver is already unable to pay

by Rudolf Faix 3. February 2016 10:42

Who does not know the announcements from the PTC (Paid To Click) sites, which are promising big earnings during sleeping. The same kind of promotion got done from AdFiver. Only stupid ones are investing in such a Ponzi scheme. Real marketing agencies will not trash money at Pay To Click sites. For this reason you'll find only the amateur advertisements from other affiliate marketers and pyramid schemes at PTC sites. All these advertisements have something in common: You should spend your money for getting nothing in return. The promises are so great that each normal person, which has all senses together, get it that the promotion is only scam.

How much in need of money the owner from AdFiver.com is get shown in the following screenshot. There he is offering 10% bonus if you are waiting with the payout 14 days:

Screenshot of he offer of 10% earnings within 2 weeks

With other words the AdFiver admin is at a normal bank not credit-worthy. A bank will charge you only 5% - 10% per year depending on the risk they have. If we are calculate the offer percentage up to one year than it would be 260%. This case shows already that the Pay To Click system from adfiver.com sucks and how money gets destroyed in this system!

That AdFiver is unable to pay gets shown on the next screen shot. There are too many requests for the available funds:

AdFiver shows that they are unable to pay

The minimum payout from AdFiver.com is $3. Even this small amount is already not available. What will happen if you are not a free user and you have paid a membership? How your referrals will believe you in the case they are not getting paid? Will they believe you again if you like to sign them up at another site?

It seems that the owner of AdFiver tried to get rich fast. For this reason he has programmed the system quick and dirty. For example you got the message that someone with your IP address has seen the advertisement during the last 24 hours. The reason for this failure has been that the programmer of the system has been too stupid to show only the advertisements at your dashboard which are available for you. Intelligence is commercially not available.

How lazy the admn from AdFiver is gets shown at the upgrade page. There he has tried to get paid members by giving a 10% discount until January 31. The problem is that we have already February 3 and the actual prices for the membership are not shown on the site:

Screenshot with membership prices

On the membership site you see directly the scam too. If you buy the "Platinum" membership for $70/year you'll get guaranteed 8 advertisements a day. That means you are able to earn $0.08/day * 365 days/year. As you earn in this case $29.20/year you'll lose with this membership $40.80 per year.

You even lose more if you sign up for the "Ultimate" membership. In this case you'll get 12 advertisements a day. In this case you'll lose $202 per year (Earnings $1.20/day * 365 days/year = $438 - $640 discounted membership fee).

In the case you are a paying member than you pay for getting teased from a stupid programmer and have additional the risk that the system breaks down before your membership expires. Shorter membership periods are not getting offered from AdFiver.

You can make only a little bit money with PTC sites if you are a free member. In this case you'll earn around $0.05 per day from your own clicks and have only the risk that you not get paid as soon as you reach the minimum payout. I got the first time paid and now around 2 months later adfiver.com is already not able to pay $3. What can all happen during the time of one year?

Such people need to hide their domain ownership with a privacy service. Here are the domain registration data from adfiver.com:

Domain Name: ADFIVER.COM
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Registrar URL: WWW.ENOM.COM
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Registrar: ENOM, INC.
Registrar IANA ID: 48
Registrar Abuse Contact Email: ABUSE@ENOM.COM
Registrar Abuse Contact Phone: +1.4252982646
Reseller: Namecheap.com
Domain Status: REGISTRAR-LOCK
Registry Registrant ID:
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Registrant Street: P.O. BOX 0823-03411
Registrant Street:
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Registrant Phone Ext:
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Trafficmonsoon: Revenue Share = Loss Participation?

by Rudolf Faix 19. January 2016 10:17

Last week I have sent a support request about missing cash links to the support from Trafficmonsoon. I got the answer that the cash links are ordered from their members and are getting distributed on a first come first serve principle. Maybe the support staff did not take a look at my logins. As I have nothing else to do I'm normally visiting each Pay To Click site three times a day. If there are at least not once a day some paid clicks available the site has normally some technical problems. Such technical problems had Trafficmonsoon already many times as their programmers are testing their changes on the production system and they don't have some systems for testing. Normally Trafficmonsoon had delivered after their technical problems more cash links for a few days for compensating the losses of their members. For this reason has been the answer from the support staff been surprising and Trafficmonsoon is during the last few days only delivering fractions of cents as daily earnings for their members.

Before a company is running into bankruptcy is the company trying to rescue themselves with all available possibilities. As more the company is running into troubles as more unbelievable is coming their promotion for winning new customers. In the case of Trafficmonsoon.com is it the same with the following screenshot of their promotion (click on the picture to see it full size if necessary):

The above screenshot has been taking from a landing page from trafficmonsoon.com (http://ptclandingpage.com/trafficmonsoon.html - link removed as domain does not exist anymore Jan. 18, 2017). It is not the page from a user of Trafficmonsoon because the referral link is missing. The page got advertised at Clixsense.

The disclaimer in the brackets near to the promoted earnings of $10.395 in a month, which says that "Results not typical. This proof of income is not a guarantee you would earn the same, but would be possible to earn this and more with equal or greater strategy and work ethic." is already confirming the misleading promotion and the scam.

If we take the FAQ from Trafficmonsoon, we'll find there as highest income example: "1000 referrals X $0.10 earnings from cash links X 30 days = $3,000 from your referral clicks". That means to reach a payout from $10,000 you need to have 3,333 referrals! I think everybody knows how difficult it is to find and to keep referrals in such systems.

The British statesman Sir Robert Walpole (1676-1745) has been the first Prime Minister in British history. From him is coming the proverb: "Every man has his price." Think now about it if such a company has 20 members which have 3,333 referrals each and each of this referrals would have in average 10 referrals and calculate the monthly payout for 3 level down:

Level Members Earnings from Referrals Own Earnings Sum
Top Level 20 $ 199,980 $ 60 $ 200,040
1. Referral Level 66,660 $ 1,999,800 $ 199,980 $ 2,199,780
2. Referral Level 666,600 $ 19,998,000 $ 1,999,800 $ 21,997,800
3. Referral Level 6,666,000   $ 19,998,000 $ 19,998,000
Total 7,399,280     $ 44,395,620

If we are honest with ourselves, who would not think about a way to disappear for less than 44 million dollars instead of paying it to the members?

In the above example are only the 20 Top level members earning $ 10,000/month. The members of the 1st and 2nd level are only earning $ 33/month and these one from the 3rd level only $ 3/month. Such a construction is very unstable and a lot of members would get lost in a short time.

To generate such earnings you need to find companies which are buying from you 7,399,280 * 10 advertisments per day * 30 days per month * (2,219,784,000 advertisements) for the paid advertisements and the same amount again for the unpaid advertisements which a user has to click for earning from his referrals (in sum 4,439,568,000 advertisements).

In the above payment model needs to get each of this advertisement to get paid with $ 0.02 for paying the clicker with $ 0.01 and his referral with $ 0.01 as the owner from Trafficmonsoon makes the job just for having fun. You'll find that information at their Ad Plans site:

Basically
$1.00 => 50 visitors = $0.02 per click. $0.01 goes to clicker, and $0.01 goes to sponsor
Visitor remains on your site 30 seconds

$1.00 => 25 visitors = $0.04 per click. $0.02 goes to clicker, and $0.02 goes to sponsor
Visitor remains on your site 60 seconds

To qualify for referral click earnings from these links, you must have clicked a minimum of 10 ads in the traffic exchange within the last 24 hours.

As Trafficmonsoon is not earning with the cash links, they are not interested to get some and for this reason is Trafficmonsoon the members cheating with cash links, which are expired just at the moment as the member has to enter the confirmation code after seeing the advertisement (click at the picture for full size):

Expired ad after showing it to the member

Such advertisements can get easily identified. They are appearing in the top left corner of the advertisement list and are mostly higher priced to lead members to click on them. If you don't click on them they are disappearing by themselves after 2 or 3 other clicked advertisements. You can avoid them by start clicking in the middle of the offered advertisement list or by starting to click at the lower right end of the list.

The behavior of this advertisements with the message "Sorry, ad expired" shall look like a programming failure, but is in reality the way how Trafficmonsoon is making money by scamming their users and financing their own expenses from the cash links. it does not make any sense for Trafficmonsoon to show their own site at the cash links because the user is already a member. The Alexa system cannot get impressed by it, because the user is already at the site and the advertisements are getting shown only in a frame. Such a paid advertisement gets shown in the following screenshot - frames inside a frame (click on the pic to enlarge):

Screenshot of showing frames inside a frame with error message

Another way Trafficmonsoon is making money with cash links is with wrong captchas. I have written already in the article "TrafficMonsoon - seems got programmed from absolutely beginners - even the captcha is not working correctly" about it. From time to time you get the error message "Wrong Click!" but you have really entered the captcha correct:

Screenshot of the error message "Wrong Click!"

If this happens to you, simple close the browser window, open a new one, go to https://trafficmonsoon.com/member/overview.php and watch the advertisement again. You'll get a new captcha, which is working.

At first I have been thinking that these are the errors from underpaid programmers or programming beginners, but as we can see has the madness a method and a reason - making money for the owner of Trafficmonsoon!

Trafficmonsoon has the opinion to watch their count-down bar is more important than to scroll down at the advertisement. This contradicts their sentence at their offer of paid clicks, where is written: "Cash links are a great way to show other members what else you're involved with, and invite them to join you.". In this case I remember only the following quotation: "Please forgive them, they are not knowing what they are doing.":

Screenshot that they are not knowing what they are doing

Another nice advertisement is the following one. I don't think that anyone pays to show an empty page and pays $0.02 for viewing it:

Screenshot from an empty website where I got $0.02 for viewing it

The owner from trafficmonsoon.com likes even to impress with false information. In the following screenshot he likes to impress with the huge amount of traffic they are receiving or generating. The problem is only that nobody shall believe this because if the webserver can show the content of this site then he would be able to show the real content too. Overloaded webserver are acting different by simple stopping sending some responses to the browser and not a sorry message like in the following screenshot shown:

Screenshot with the message "Our website has become overloaded with traffic."

Coming back to the calculation example from the beginning where we need around 4 billion advertisements viewed to reach the monthly income of $10,000 for 20 people each. Let us take a look where the traffic from Trafficmonsoon is getting generated. A view at the Alexa global ranking - Adience Geography tell us the following:

alexa.com Audience Geography for trafficmonsoon.com

We see in the screenshot above that the main traffic from Trafficmonsoon is coming from the "poor" countries Russia, India, Ukraine, Brazil, Mexiko, etc. Sure advertisement is getting done all over the world because companies like to sell their products. But are these companies from these countries spending between $ 0.02 and $ 0.04 per view? Like shown above is the generated traffic useless because members are even not allowed to scroll inside the page. The most viewers from the advertisements are only interested to get paid and not into the product. For this reason is Trafficmonsoon a closed system, which does not get accepted from the advertising industry. I see how one advertising company would tease the other one with the words: "You really need already to pay that someone is watching your advertisements?". Sorry, but here is it going about the reputation from the advertising and creative industry. Already for this reason you'll not find some real advertisements at the Pay To Click (PTC) websites.

You'll find only advertisements from the kind of getting quick rich at the Paid To Click (PTC) sites. Some users are hoping to find some people which are more stupid than themselves and are paying for a dream. These stupid ones are already less accessing the system from trafficmonsoon.com like it get shown in the Alexa global traffic statistics:

Alexa Traffic Ranks for trafficmonsoon.com

The above Alexa global ranking of the website trafficmonsoon.com shows us the flash in the pan from the rise and fall of Trafficmonsoon. During the last three months has Trafficmonsoon 194 places lost in the global ranking of the world wide websites.

If we take a look at the next screenshot where the question "How engaged are visitors to trafficmonsoon.com?" gets answered, than we see that the pageviews per visitor got reduced more than 52% during the last three months and the bounce rate increased with 4% in the same time:

Alexa - How engaged are visitors to trafficmonsoon.com?

The search traffic for Trafficmonsoon increased during the same time by 7%, but take a look which keywords are getting used to find trafficmonsoon.com. The search traffic is only coming from visitors, which are too lazy to enter the full web address for trafficmonsoon.com:

Alexa.com - Where do trafficmonsoon.com's visitiors com from? - Search traffic

As expected is the most of the traffic for trafficmonsoon.com coming from Google, Facebook and other Paid To Click (PTC) sites. That means a lot of people are getting paid at clixsense.com and neobux.com for viewing the advertisements from Trafficmonsoon:

alexa.com - Upstream sites for trafficmonsoon.com

As a lot of advertisements with fake screenshots of earnings are done for Trafficmonsoon in the social networks, I like to show my real earnings (not edited) from trafficmonsoon.com for daily clicking on their ads since a few months:

Trafficmonsoon earnings page for the work of a few months

Charles Scoville calls himself to be the CEO from Trafficmonsoon. If it is true or not cannot get verified because the site trafficmonsoon.com is registered with a hidden ownership. Which kind of person Charles Scoville is gets shown at his other domains with the names charlesscoville.net, charlesscoville.org and charlesscoville.com. In my opinion is he a man with an exaggerated craving. This gets shown already at the chosen domain names, where he likes to build up a brand by using his names. This would be difficult because he has been the owner of the following sites, which got already shutdown:

  • adscashfast.com
  • banrev.com
  • buxsecure.com
  • buxunleashed.com
  • eternalifebux.com
  • foreverbux.com
  • freehitxchange.com
  • inboxbux.com
  • infinitybux.com
  • powerfulbux.com
  • trophybux.com
  • tviptc.com
  • ulaunchformula.com
  • ultimatepowerboost.com
  • wealthenginex.com

Trafficmonsoon is a closed system, where the members of the system are generating useless traffic for each other. The system is nothing else than a Ponzi scheme which will break down as soon as not enough new members are joining it to pay the existing members. Trafficmonsoon promises 10% earnings in a short time for the investor and 10% earnings for the referrer of the investor.

Scammed victims from Trafficmonsoon are getting found at Google. Under these victims you can find Shoemoney with a loss of $125 too.

Other reviews about Trafficmonsoon can get found at:

At Facebook we find a page where 12 hours ago got written:

Still no news from that infamous PayPal meeting yet!
Why don't you phone them up Charles, like an enterprising lady called Jane who contacted Paypal in Australia directly.
Guess what they told her?
PAYPAL HAVE FROZEN TRAFFIC MONSOONS ACCOUNT.
Not exactly how Charles told it is it? Remember? He said he VOLUNTARILY LEFT THEM. Lies. Lies. Lies!
But don't take our word for it, PHONE PAYPAL yourselves!

Facebook postings need to get carefully interpreted. Especially if the author hides himself behind a pseudonym like in this case. For the case if it is true what is written there than Trafficmonsoon has already a big problem. Paypal does not freeze an account without reason.

 

Pay to Click (PTC) provider littlebux.com Tries a Commercial Suicide

by Rudolf Faix 18. January 2016 04:27

Littlebux Logolittlebux.com is a typical Pay To Cick (PTC) provider. Their domain got registered at September 19, 2014 - 1 year and 119 days ago. Until now they have tried not be a scam site, but now they are getting greedy by changing their payout structure. They are thinking that nothing can happen to them, because they are using a privacy protection service for their domain and no business address is written on their site.

Until now they had a payout between US$ 0.05 and US$ 0.06 per day for their free members. Free members got 4 daily advertisements with a payout of US$ 0.01 each and in average 15 advertisements with a payout of US$ 0.001 each. Paid members get a higher payout for their own clicks and for the clicks of their referrals.

Compared with other Paid to Click (PTC) providers have been littlebux.com on the lower end in their payment structure. An example from the sites, where I have received money as a free member are:

  1. US$ 0.20/day are in average paying the incompetent script kiddies from trafficmonsoon.com

  2. US$ 0.08/day in average is paying AdFiver.com

  3. US$ 0.05/day in average is paying clixsense.com, which is already 9 years at the market and do not hide their domain ownership behind an anonymizing service.

With the following posting has the admin (no real name available) announced at the littlebux forum the changes (reducing the payout by 33% for free members) for the free members on Sunday January 17, 2016:

Hi everybody!

I feel like it was yesterday that I was writing the first official topic for LittleBux. So much time has gone by (About 5 months actually) since then, and we're beginning to get a place in this industry as one of the leaders. We are nowhere near that, but we are getting there.

Since we started, we have paid out more than $100,000 to all of you wonderful users. I must admit, when I first started this project, I didn't imagine that we would have reached such an amazing milestone so early on. It's truly amazing to see how rapidly we've grown and how well the industry are treating us. During the next few weeks, we'll have some exciting news for you!

Standard Members Rates IMPORTANT
As of this moment, we have decided to lower the advertisement value for standard membersto $0.005 for the daily advertisements. (Previously $0.01). I know that this change will probably meet a lot of resistance from our standard members - however, it is only done in order to ensure the stability of LittleBux - not necessarily now, but more importantly - in the future.

This change will only affect standard members and only have an affect on the dailyadvertisements. Again, to be clear: your referrals earnings will not be affected by this change.

AdAlert
We've released our first AdAlert feature (which is currently only available for our and members).

Once a new advertisement is made available at LittleBux, you'll receive a text message, directly to your mobile phone with an alert! Simply go to your account settings, enable AdAlert, and enter your phone number.

We are currently working on an AdAlert feature for our Standard/Golden members as well.

What will the future bring?
We can't say for sure (if we could, we'd be in another business). One thing we can say though, is that it will not be dull. We have a lot of things planned for 2016, which includes a lot of new features that will help you manage your account and new ways of earning. More news about this very soon.

Upgrade Promotion SALE
We've kicked in 2016 with quite a bang. Almost 100,000 members in less than 6 months, and a total withdrawn sum of over $100,000. That has to be some of the best statistics for a new founded site. You are the reason for that.
That's why we are starting the year with an incredible discount on all our memberships - save up to $50:

Prices for new new upgrades and/or membership extensions:

One Year = $75

One Year = $285

One Year = $705

Click here to see our plans.

These promotions will be available until 18/01 15:00 (servertime)

Already the short time, which is the special offer for the paid memberships is available (less than one day) shows the scam and how needy Littlebux is. It seems that they cannot pay already the hosting fees.

The next problem is that even for the golden membership you'll need at least 13 referrals, which are staying and clicking a full year on the advertisements to earn the same amount like a free member. You are only making no loss in this case if Littlebux is not changing in their payout structure again. As they are trying already a commercial suicide by reducing the payout for the free members in the high of 33% (US$ 0.02) per day you have no guarantee for the future that they will repeat to try the suicide for the case they'll survive now.

If someone takes a look at the homepage from Littlebux.com than you'll see that they have actually 171,771 users and paid out the sum of US$ 105,625.02. If you think now that $105,625.02 is an impressing sum, you need only divide this sum by the amount of users to see that in average got each user paid US$ 0.6149. As their minimum payout is US$ 2.00 you'll can calculate that in average got less than 52,812 from the 171,771 users got paid until now! In this business are seldom some people so stupid and pay a high fee for a membership as they cannot be sure that the site will not change into a scam site like Littlebux now. I think that the paid members can get counted by using the fingers of one hand as Littlebux is only selling yearly memberships.

I have no pity for the stupid ones, which are paid members at Littlebux, and are now making a loss for the reason of losing their referrals. These are the guinea pigs from amateur businessmen and marketing deadbeats. The reason for such changes are mostly the greediness or the wish of getting rich quick from the site owners. Such a behavior like changes at the Littlebux site are in Europe forbidden by the consumer protection law. Maybe one European member brings them in front of the law court for the case Littlebux is surviving the commercial suicide. In any case I hope that a lot of users are now learning that they are not able to buy money for a discount price.

The domain registration data from littlebux.com:

Domain Name: LITTLEBUX.COM
Registry Domain ID: 1876315820_DOMAIN_COM-VRSN
Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.name.com
Registrar URL: http://www.name.com
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Registrar Registration Expiration Date: 2017-09-18T09:40:30Z
Registrar: Name.com, Inc.
Registrar IANA ID: 625
Reseller:
Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited
Registry Registrant ID:
Registrant Name: Whois Agent
Registrant Organization: Whois Privacy Protection Service, Inc.
Registrant Street: PO Box 639
Registrant City: Kirkland
Registrant State/Province: WA
Registrant Postal Code: 98083
Registrant Country: US
Registrant Phone: +1 4252740657
Registrant Fax: +1 4259744730
Registrant Email: @protecteddomainservices.com
Registry Admin ID:
Admin Name: Whois Agent
Admin Organization: Whois Privacy Protection Service, Inc.
Admin Street: PO Box 639
Admin City: Kirkland
Admin State/Province: WA
Admin Postal Code: 98083
Admin Country: US
Admin Phone: +1 4252740657
Admin Fax: +1 4259744730
Admin Email: @protecteddomainservices.com
Registry Tech ID:
Tech Name: Whois Agent
Tech Organization: Whois Privacy Protection Service, Inc.
Tech Street: PO Box 639
Tech City: Kirkland
Tech State/Province: WA
Tech Postal Code: 98083
Tech Country: US
Tech Phone: +1 4252740657
Tech Fax: +1 4259744730
Tech Email: @protecteddomainservices.com
Name Server: norm.ns.cloudflare.com
Name Server: desi.ns.cloudflare.com
DNSSEC: Unsigned Delegation
Registrar Abuse Contact Email: @name.com
Registrar Abuse Contact Phone: +1.1 7203101849
URL of the ICANN WHOIS Data Problem Reporting System: http://wdprs.internic.net/
>>> Last update of WHOIS database: 2016-01-17T17:17:39-07:00 <<<

Update January 19, 2016: The new membership fees from Littlebux got published. The Golden: US$ 90/year, Ruby US$ 310/year, Ultimate US$ 755/year. You need now 16 referrals for the golden, 24 referrals for the ruby and 58 referrals for the ultimate membership, which are active on the site for one year, to get a few dollars more than a standard/free member. You know how hard it is to find some referrals and keep them active on the site. Additional you need to be sure that the terms and conditions will not change today or tomorrow again. You have no guarantees that such changes will not happen during the next day or weeks and for this reason I call the actual changes to be a "commercial suicide".

You should ask yourself the question: "How long will stay a standard/free member on the site if he sees that he needs between 50 and 67 days to reach the minimum payout sum of US$ 2.00?". All new members will start as a standard/free member. Only when they are reaching the necessary referrals they will take the risk to upgrade for a paid membership.

Update Jan. 18, 2017: Links for littlebux.com removed as the domain does not exist anymore.

 

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